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kept the f.b.i. team waiting for more than five weeks -- five weeks when they were finally granted access. four months later, the administration still has not discussed the serious between the groups behind the benghazi attack and the leaders of the attack on the u.s. embassies in cairo, tunis the same week of september 11. four months later, following the pickering report on state department failures leading up to the attack, not a single state department employee has been fired and held responsible for their role in denying adequate security for the consulate in benghazi. four months later, despite secretary clinton's september 21 declaration, quote, which said, what happened was a terrorist attack, we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four americans, end of quote. this administration seems to have not only rested but to have moved on, and apparently hopes that the congress and the american people will too. and today, just today, "the new york times" is reporting, quote, several ejips members of a squad of militant that --
until the f.b.i. completes its investigation we're not going to know all the reasons why these people showed up with weapons and stormed our compound. >> well, secretary clinton is ambassador rice's state thament benghazi was a copy cat of the cairo demonstrations factually accurate? >> it turned out not to be because the cairo demonstrations were not heavily arm and we did eventually get host nation security support. so there are -- there were differences. but again i would say that secretary rice conveyed information that had been provided by the intelligence community and the interagency process. into the process. is the statement that benghazi was, quote, prompted by an anti-muslim video, end quote, factually accurate? >> i'd have to go back to my first answer, we don't know all the answers. >> on september 16, the very same day you and ambassador susan rice made her statements to american people in the world, the libyan president said on npr, quote, the idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that it just spun out of control, is completely unfounded and
suspects the f.b.i. are chosely following and consulting with partner governments. based on my last conversation with the director mueller which was a few days ago, he went to libya, he went to tunisia. he believes the investigation is preceding -- proceeding. i know the f.b.i. has been on the hill doing whiched briefings. i hope the f.b.i. is able to investigate, identify, and hold responsible those who wage this attack against us. based on their work they feel they are pursuing very positive leads. >> my understanding is the person held in tunisia was released by a judge and that person has been released. basically we don't really know at this point who did it? >> congressman, i confirmed with director mueller who was just in tunisia meeting with their high official that this person is basically under law enforcement surveillance and forbidden to leave tunis. >> briefly, no one has been held accountable or charged with of this offense. before qadaffi was taken out my understanding the nation of qatar shipped in 18 shipments, 20,000 tons of weapons and machine guns to the region to
monitoring by the tunisian government. there are other suspects that the fbi are both closely following and consulting with partner governments. i think based on my last conversation with director muller which was just a few days ago, he went to libya. he went to tunisia. he beliefs that the investigation is proceed iing. i know the fbi has been on the hill doing briefings with certain committees. i don't know about this committee. but i certainly hope that the fbi is able to investigate, identify, and hold responsible those who waged this attack against us. and i think based on their work, they feel that they are pursuing some very positive leads. >> okay. my understanding is the tunisian person who was held was released by a judge there. and that person has been released. so basically we don't really know at this point who did it. >> well, congressman, i confirmed with director muller who was just in tunisia meeting with their high officials that this person is basically under law enforcement surveillance. and forbidden to leave. director muller told me that that had been confirmed to
think until the f.b.i. completes the investigation we won't know all reasons why they showed up with weapons and stormed the compound. >> secretary clinton is ambassador's rice statement that benghazi was a copycat of the cairo demonstrations factually accurate? >> it turned out not to be because the cairo demonstrations were not ally armed and we did eventually get host nation security support. there were differences. but again, secretary rice conveyed information that had been provided by the intelligence community. and the interagency process. >> i'm not trying to go in to the process. i'm trying to determine what the truth is as best we know at this time. secretary clinton is ambassador rice's statement that benghazi was prompted by anti-muslim video," put on the internet in the united states factually accurate? >> i'd have to go back to my first answer, congressman and just say that we don't know all the motivations so i don't want to give a sweeping answer as to what prompting those men to come out that night and attack our compound. >> okay. well, on september 16, the ver
. that is not the weight of the evidence right now, but i think until the fbi completes its investigation, we're not going to know all the reasons why these people showed up with weapons and stormed our compound. >> well, secretary clinton, is ambassador rice's statement that benghazi was a copy cat of the cairo demonstrations factually accurate? >> well, it turned out nod not to be because the cairo demonstrations were not heavily armed. and we did get host nation security support. so there were differences. but again, i would say that secretary rice conveyed information that had been provided by the intelligence community. >> i'm not trying to go into the process. right now i'm just trying to determine what the truth is best we know at this time. is ambassador rice's statement that benghazi was of course prompted by an anti-muslim video in the united states. >> i'd have to go back to my first statement and say we don't know all of the motivations so i don't want to give a sweeping answer to what caused these men to come out that night and attack the compound. >> all right. well, on september 16th, the s
on afterwards but the -- once the investigation started the fbi spoke to them before we spoke to them. other than other people in tripoli, which i think you're talking about washington, right? >> the point i'm making a very simple phone call to the individuals would have ascertained immediately that there was no protest prior to this. this attack started at 9:40 p.m. benghazi time and it was an assault. i appreciate the fact you called it an assault. but i'm going back to then ambassador rice five days later going sunday shows what i would say purpose fully misleading the public. i appreciate the fact of the transparency of this hearing. why weren't we transparent to that point in time? >> first of all, senator, i would say that once the assault happened and once we got our people rescued and out, our immediate most concern was number one taking care of their injuries. as i said, i still have a ds agent at walter reed seriously injured. getting them into frankfurt to get taken care of. the fbi going over immediately to start talking to them. we did not think it was appropriate for us to talk
on -- there was discussion going on afterwards. the fbi spoke to them before we spoke to them. other than our people in tripoli -- i think you're talking about washington, right? >> the point i am making is a simple phone call would ascertained immediately that there was no protest. this attack started at 9:40 pm benghazi time. it was an assault. i'm going back to ambassador rice five days later purposely misleading the american public. why wasn't that known? transparent?e >> i would say once the assault happened and what he got our people rescued and out, our most immediate concern was taken care of their injuries. i still have a ds agent at walter reed seriously injured. getting them into frankfurt, ramstein, to get taken care of. the fbi going over -- we did not think it was a puppet for us to talk to them before the fbi conducted their interviews. i think this is accurate -- i certainly did not know of any report that contradicted the ic talking points at the time that ambassador rice went on the tv shows. i just want to say that people have accused ambassador rice and the administration of misl
that tunisia recently released a key suspect. poor libyan cooperation hampered the fbi's investigation. success here is a matter of justice. and it's also a matter of signalling to militants that there is no place for them to hide if they attack u.s. personnel. i will now turn to the distinguished ranking member, mr. engle for his opening remarks. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman for holding this important meeting. i hope we can use this as an opportunity to seriously examine the steps we need to take to prevent a repeat of the tragedy in benghazi rather than engaging in gotcha politics that make it more difficult to achieve this bipartisan goal. as the new rinking member, let me say on behalf of this committee, we would like to welcome you back and glad you are feeling better. this will likely be your final appearance before our committee and i want to take the opportunity to let you know how much we appreciate your outstanding and tireless efforts to represent our country in the international community. i have no doubt you will continue to serve our nation in some capacity as you have for
of what happened. secretary clinton pointed out there was an fbi investigation and is still going on. it will take some time. let's take a look at what she said. >> when you're in these positions, the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process -- >> i realize that. >> number two -- >> i realize that's a good excuse -- >> no, it's a fact. number two, i would recommend highly you read both what the arb said about it and the classified arb because even today there are questions being raised. now, we have no doubt they were terrorists. they were militants. attacked us. they killed our people. but what was going on and why they were doing what they were doing -- >> no, no, no -- again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and something sprang out of that. and that was easily ascertained that was not the fact. the american people could have known that within days and they didn't. >> with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd kill americans? w
. there are other suspects that the fbi or both closely following and consulting with partner governments. i think based on my last conversation with the director that was just a few days ago he went to libya and tunisia and believes the investigation is proceeding. they are doing was a fight briefings with certain committees. i don't know about this committee, but i certainly hope that the fbi is able to investigate and identify and hold responsible lowest wage this attack against us and i think that based on their work they feel that they are pursuing some very positive leads. >> my understanding is the person that was held was released by a judge. that person has been released. so you don't know at this point who did it. >> i confirmed with the director who was in the meeting with their high officials that this person is basically under law enforcement surveillance forbidden to leave. the director told me that had been confirmed by him. >> just very briefly, no one has been held accountable or charged with this offense. before gadhafi was taken out, my understanding is the nation had 18 shipmen
the investigation started, the fbi spoke to them before we spoke to them. and so other than our people in tripoli, which i think you're talking about washington, right? >> the point i'm making is a very simple phone call to these individuals would have ascertained immediately that there was no protest prior to this. this attack started at 9:40 p.m. benghazi time and it was an assault. i appreciate the fact that you called it an assault. i'm going back to then ambassador rice five days later going to the sunday shows and what i would say purposefully misleading the american public. why wasn't that known and, again, i appreciate the fact that the transparency of this hearing but why weren't we transparent at that point in time? >> well, first of all, senator, i would say that once the assault happened and once we got our people rescued and out, our most immediate concern was number one taking care of their injuries. as i said, i still have a ds agent at walter reed seriously injured. getting them into frankfurt to get taken care of, the fbi going over immediately to start talking to them. we did no
on afterwards, but once the investigation started the f.b.i. spoke to them before we spoke to them, and so other than our people in tripoli, which i think you're talking about washington, right? >> yes, the point i'm making is a very simple phone call to these individuals i think would have ascertained immediately that there was no protest prior to this. i mean this attack started at 9:40pm benghazi time and it was an assault. and i appreciate the fact that you called it an assault i'm gon ambassador rice five days later going on sunday shows and what i would say purposely misleading the american public. why wasn't that known, and, again, i appreciate the fact of the transparency of this hearing, but why weren't we transparent at that point in time? >> first of all, senator, would i say that once the assault happened, and once we got our people rescued and out, our most immediate concern was number one taking care of their injuries. as i said i still have a ds agent at walter reed seriously injured, getting them into frankfurt to get taken care of. the f.b.i. going over immediately to start talk
suspect. poor libyan cooperation has hampered the fbi's investigation. success here is a matter of justice. and it is also a matter of signaling to militants that there is no place for them to hide if they attack u.s. personnel. i will now turn to the distinguished ranking member, mr. engle, for his opening remarks. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman, for holding this important meeting. i hope we can use this as an opportunity to seriously examine the steps we need to take to prevent a repeat of a tragedy in benghazi, rather than engaging in gotcha politics that make it more difficult to achieve this bipartisan goal. madam secretary, as the new ranking member on the foreign affairs committee, let me say on behalf of the democratic members of this committee we would like to welcome you back to our committee, and we're glad you're feeling better. this will likely be your final appearance before our committee, and i want to take this opportunity to let you know how much we appreciate your outstanding and tireless efforts to represent our country in the international community. i have no dou
afterwards? there was discussion going on afterwards. the fbi spoke to them before we spoke to them. other than our people in tripoli -- i think you're talking about washington, right? >> the point i am making is a simple phone call would ascertained immediately that there was no protest. this attack started at 9:40 pm benghazi time. >> did anybody in the stateit w. i'm going back to ambassador rice five days later purposely misleading the american public. why wasn't that known? why weren't we transparent? >> i would say once the assault happened and what he got our people rescued and out, our most immediate concern was taken care of their injuries. i still have a ds agent at walter reed seriously injured. getting them into frankfurt, ramstein, to get taken care of. the fbi going over -- we did not think it was a puppet for us to talk to them before the fbi conducted their interviews. i think this is accurate -- i certainly did not know of any report that contradicted the ic talking points at the time that ambassador rice went on the tv shows. i just want to say that people have accused am
monitoring by the tunisian government. there are other suspects that the f.b.i. are both closely following and consulting with partner governments. i think based on my last conversation with director muller, which was just a few days ago. he went to libya. he went to tunisia. heblet that the investigation is proceeding. i know that the f.b.i. has been up on the hill doing classified briefings with certain committees. i don't know about this committee. but i certainly hope that the f.b.i. is able to investigate, identify and hold responsible those who wage this attack against us. and i think that based on their work, they feel that they are pursuing some very positive leads. >> ok. my understanding is the thank you knees the person held in tunisia was released by a judge and that person has been released. so basically we don't really know at this point who did it. >> well, congressman, i confirmed with director muller who was just in tunisia meeting with their high officials that this person is basically under law enforcement surveillance and forbidden to leave tunis. director muller told m
dennboldened be one has paid a penalty for the attacks in benghazi? >> i know that the fbi has been briefing some committees. i assume some members of this committee are included. i don't know that but i would assume. about the progress of their investigation. i got the most recent update from the director a few days ago when he returned from north africa. they are following some very promising leads and putting together cases. they would have to speak to you directly about that in a classified setting. but i think what they are trying to determine is how best to respond and i think what the president clearly said is, we will respond and we will bring those to justice and i don't think anybody should doubt this president at his word. we have some very good examples of that. it may take time but he does not in any way divert attention from the goal of bringing them to justice. >> thank you, madam secretary. the president also said al qaeda has been decimated and in light of the recent terrorist activities that we continue to see in north africa, around the world, would you characterize that a
in benghazi. >> i believe that drk i know that the fbi has been briefing some committees, i assume members or staff of this committee are included. i don't know that but i would assume, about the progress of their investigation. i got the most recent update from the director a few days ago when he returned from north africa. they are following some very promising leads and putting together cases. they would have to speak to you directly about that in a classified setting. but i think what they are trying to determine is how best to respond. and i think what the president clearly said is we will respond and we will bring those to justice. and i don't think anybody should doubt this president at his word. we have some very good example that it may take time but he does not in any way divert attention from the goal of bringing them to justice. >> thank you, madam secretary. the president also said al qaeda has been decembimated and in li of the recent terrorist acts tists we continue to see in north africa, around the world, would you character that as al qaeda has been decimated? >> core al
on 9/14 three days after the attack told the fbi there was no demonstration, this undercut the administration's false narrative that there was an anti-islam video to blame and this came two days before susan rice's statements on the sunday talk shows, also today, a leading republican said, given mrs. clinton's performance, having not reviewed these requests and these warnings that he would have fired her. here is rand paul. >> i'm glad that you're accepting responsibility, i think that ultimately with your leaving you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11, and i really mean that. had i been president at the time, and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, did you not read the cables from ambassador stephens, i would have relieved you of your post. >> one thing to listen for at house foreign affairs, megyn, is the parsing of the language, what we heard from mrs. clinton al-qaeda core may be decimated, the traditional al-qaeda leadership with bin laden's death, but in fact, concedes that the taste or flavor of al-qaeda, al-qaeda 2.0 what we'
self, bob mueller, head of the fbi and keith alexander, head of the nsa, have worked very closely together to develop playbooks, and they are -- who has what roles and what responsibilities in different types of scenarios. nonetheless, what we know in supporting states is that our ability to dictate, prevent and mitigate is assisted materially based on whether we know something has occurred. so the idea of sharing, getting those, particularly when they infiltrated entity is part of the nation's critical infrastructure, that everybody else relies upon, is key. the ability to be able to undertake certain mitigation measures is key. the ability to have the freedom to hire personnel to the department without some of the restrictions of the civil service is key, because these, are areas which at one is competing for. so legislation that would have the effect of clarifying, making sure those roles and responsibilities are set forth in the statute. form should include and dealing with -- >> why don't you explain what that is? >> well, i'm going to let you explain it. spent finish your se
has hampered the fbi's investigation success here is a matter of justice and it's also a matter of signaling to the militants that there is no place for them to hide if the attack u.s. personnel. i will now turn to the distinguished ranking member for his opening remarks. >> thank you mr. chairman for holding this important hearing. i hope that we can use this for an opportunity to seriously examine the steps that we need to take to end their reach peak of the tragedy in benghazi rather than engaging in the gotcha politics and in gauging the to achieving this bipartisan goal. madam secretary, as the new ranking member on the foreign affairs committee, what me say on behalf of the democratic members on this committee, we would like to welcome you back to the committee in regard that you are feeling better. this would likely be a final appearance before our committee and i want to take this opportunity to let you know how much we appreciate your outstanding and tireless efforts to represent our country in the international community. i have no doubt you will continue to serve the
brought to justice there? >> well i believe, well, i know that the fbi has been briefing some committees. i assume members of staff of this committee are included. i don't know that but i would assume, about the progress of their investigation. i got the most recent update from the director just a few days ago when he returned from north africa. they are following some very promising leads, and putting together cases. they with have to speak to you directly about that in a classified setting but you think what they are trying to determine is how best to respond and i think what the president clearly said is, we will respond. and we will bring those to justice and i don't think anybody should doubt this president at his word. we have some very good examples of that. it may take time but he does not in any way divert attention from the goal of bringing them to justice. >> thank you, madam secretary. the president also said al qaeda has been decimated. and in light of the recent terrorist activities that we continue to see in north africa, around the world, would you characterize that as al
spending for the f.b.i., drug enforcement administration, the secret service, the u.s. marshals service and the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. to argue this president is not enforcing the law when we have so many deportations and to argue he's not taking it seriously when we are spending record-breaking amounts on the border just isn't backed up by the facts. but still we need to make sure we're doing everything we can to keep the border safe and to reduce illegal immigration. that's the first thing. the second thing is to say that those who are here, if they want to be legal, have to earn their way to legal status. how do they earn it? first, they go through a criminal background check. we don't want anyone here who is a threat to our nation or to the people who live here. they'll be asked to leave. in fact, they'll be forced to leave. but those who pass the criminal background check, they'll need to pay a fine. they have to pay their taxes. and then they can stay and work in a legal probationary legal status while we make the border safe. ultimately they have to
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